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Dylan's avatar

Interesting. I like the astronaut analogy for how utilitarianism could theoretically be useful on a grander scale but that doesn't have to imply anything about most of our everyday lives.

If you get a moment, I'm very curious your thoughts on a post I just published where I explore the impracticality of utilitarianism from a different angle:

https://onlyvariance.substack.com/p/the-utilitarians-are-gaslighting

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>your car would never come to a rest after a trillion years if it rolled on a frictionless surface through a vacuum.

This is a good statement because it reveals Newtonian mechanics relies on unfalsifiable idealizations. Friction can be defined as any tangential force applied on one object by another object. A frictionless world would be one where there are never any tangential forces acting on an object. But wait, objects never bump into each other head on in the real world. So a frictionless world would have no possible object interactions because all tangential forces are eliminated by stipulation and interactions via nontangential forces never occur (unless you stipulate they do, which is something we don't currently have a physical model of). There are also further assumptions in the statement like objects having intrinsic positions and velocities, even though these are treated as conjugates in quantum mechanics.

So as it stands, the hypothetical is underdescribed, and there is no fact of the matter what would happen to a car in a frictionless world absent bringing in assumptions from other physical theories or stipulating them. Ethical thought experiments like the repugnant conclusion or trolley problem or violinist suffer from the same defects. There's not an appeal to deeper principles that's needed but people clearly communicating what they want to get done.

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